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Post by OnCrime on Apr 23, 2008 18:06:30 GMT -5
It's true! Charlotte is a beautiful city & a great place to live. I'm not happy with the crime problem but it doesn't stop me from telling friends and relatives they should move here!
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Post by speakingthetruth on Apr 23, 2008 19:03:17 GMT -5
Funny but why are you racist if you speak the truth and state the facts? Apparently some people aren't aware that you can be black and also a racist. Yes, thats right. I don't care what color you are, if you're out committing violent crimes you should be locked up until you can behave like a civilized human being. Its not our place to rehabiltate you and provide you a free ride. If you want to behave like an animal then you belong in a cage. The innocent people shouldn't have to live in fear because of these violent offenders. We shouldn't have to be defending our comments because some blogger feels like we're racists. Too bad. This site is about crime and what we can do to decrease it in our city. Call it what it is. If it offends you, too bad.
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Post by Bob Dobalina on Apr 24, 2008 1:14:05 GMT -5
They are meant to educate - not to parent or rehabilitate. Your opinion is respected; however, I would rather hear your constructive comments than posts or replies that incite or defend silly name calling. Okay, so two things I want to say to you. First, you really said that Schools are not meant to parent or rehabilitate?? Really? If teachers were only there to educate the job would be too easy! Were you home schooled or something? Wow! What a statement. My opinion is mine. If you feel that my post was to incite or defend 'silly name calling' that is YOUR opinion. Have a nice day! |
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Post by speakinghtetruth on Apr 24, 2008 7:52:09 GMT -5
Teachers are there to educate not to raise and parent your children. Don't expect someone else to do your job. If you can't raise them properly, stop having them. If you think teaching is such an easy job then maybe you should try it since you seem to have all the answers Bob.
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Post by JCH on Apr 24, 2008 21:08:43 GMT -5
[quote author=jch board=crimeprob thread=203 post=2138 My opinion is mine. If you feel that my post was to incite or defend 'silly name calling' that is YOUR opinion. Have a nice day! Bob, I did not say this to offend you; however, it was you that used words like "Klan", "racist", and "ignorant". This does incite others to respond in kind. And, I realize you may have been provoked so that's why I included "defend" in the sentence, but I see my grammatical error - I was just trying to say that I was genuinely more interested in your constructive comments (and others' as well) and you shouldn't feel the need to respond to the name calling, as it only serves to disparage your comments. And, no, I wasn't home schooled. I went to public school and I distinctly remember going to classes like English, Math, History, Foreign Language, etc., so I'm not really sure where parenting falls into any of these categories  |
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Post by bluelinebill on Apr 25, 2008 4:41:15 GMT -5
Sorry people the fact IS, That where ever section 8 housing is, there is high a CRIME ZONE------ WHY?
I think we all know.
Race or not, the numbers tell the story.
It's time to start looking at the the problem.
Ask your self this
(would I move into an area where I found there is a high crime problem?)
I think most would say NO.
So what do we do?
Thats where the answer is.
Time to talk about the elephant on the table.
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Post by Chris man come on on Apr 25, 2008 10:38:10 GMT -5
Folks, I'm afraid we're gonna have to give up on Bob. Wow! Really? He has nothing to post that even resembles CONSTRUCTIVE. Let's move on.
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Post by bluelinebill on Apr 28, 2008 18:27:56 GMT -5
WOW!!!!!
Let me be clear about this subject.
I don't care if your black, white, or a student nurse from planet Playtex.
If you live in section eight housing you are not necessarily a bad person.
If however you live there (and) don't report a crime you know about or see, you are a BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM.
Report the crime people, you don't have to give your name and it may save you from being the next victim.
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Post by bruce on Apr 28, 2008 20:58:45 GMT -5
They are meant to educate - not to parent or rehabilitate. Your opinion is respected; however, I would rather hear your constructive comments than posts or replies that incite or defend silly name calling. Okay, so two things I want to say to you. First, you really said that Schools are not meant to parent or rehabilitate?? Really? If teachers were only there to educate the job would be too easy! Were you home schooled or something? Wow! What a statemen My opinion is mine. If you feel that my post was to incite or defend 'silly name calling' that is YOUR opinion. Have a nice day! Bob do you really believe it is the schools job to parent? Your true colors are showing ,can anyone say communist China , North Korea. That is what they do in these countries BOB. Your political leanings are showing BOB. If you do not know these things maybe you should study history more. How about mom and dad doing the parenting. You can be poor and still do a great job of parenting, but all I hear is excuses for the failures of todays parents. Oh I forgot it is Bob I am talking to. A hateful know it all .....Nevermind |
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Post by spankysbbq on Apr 29, 2008 12:23:29 GMT -5
Trying to have a teacher teach and parent is absurd. My mother and father were divorced when I was 3 and she did a damn good job raising my brother and me. She didn't put her responsibility off on someone else. A parent assuming a teacher is there to parent a well, is an insult to the kids that are there to learn and not be disrupted.
There are programs in school for those who don't feel like learning. I think it's called BEH. Behaviorally/Emotionally Handicapped.
Rich, poor, black, white, if you have a child it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. If you feel like you have to put a child off on someone else, you should have kept your legs closed or your junk in your pants.
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Post by Bob Dobalina on May 1, 2008 3:17:22 GMT -5
Sorry people the fact IS, That where ever section 8 housing is, there is high a CRIME ZONE------ WHY? I think we all know. Race or not, the numbers tell the story. It's time to start looking at the the problem. Ask your self this (would I move into an area where I found there is a high crime problem?) I think most would say NO. So what do we do? Thats where the answer is. Time to talk about the elephant on the table. Okay Blueline we've heard this all before on several other post. We got it! The fact that you jump around on other sites and say the same exact thing is pretty redundant at this point don't you think?? Section 8 areas right!! Okay so just stay away from those areas and everything will be fine. Go stay in Dilworth how about that?? Oh and maybe take that passion and channel it somewhere else. Say Digg.com for one??  |
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Post by Bob Dobalina on May 1, 2008 3:20:58 GMT -5
Sorry people the fact IS, That where ever section 8 housing is, there is high a CRIME ZONE------ WHY? I think we all know. Race or not, the numbers tell the story. It's time to start looking at the the problem. Ask your self this (would I move into an area where I found there is a high crime problem?) I think most would say NO. So what do we do? Thats where the answer is. Time to talk about the elephant on the table. Okay Blueline we've heard this all before on several other post. We got it! The fact that you jump around on other sites and say the same exact thing is pretty redundant at this point don't you think?? Section 8 areas right!! Okay so just stay away from those areas and everything will be fine. Go stay in Dilworth how about that?? Oh and maybe take that passion and channel it somewhere else. Say Digg.com for one?? Maybe you and Bruce can build houses right next to each other!! That would be the ticket! ;D ;D Bruce, you have to get out of the Paw Creek area!!!!! Get with BluelineWilliam and move to Dilworth ASAP. |
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Post by Bob Dobalina on May 1, 2008 3:43:54 GMT -5
Trying to have a teacher teach and parent is absurd. My mother and father were divorced when I was 3 and she did a damn good job raising my brother and me. She didn't put her responsibility off on someone else. A parent assuming a teacher is there to parent a well, is an insult to the kids that are there to learn and not be disrupted. There are programs in school for those who don't feel like learning. I think it's called BEH. Behaviorally/Emotionally Handicapped. Rich, poor, black, white, if you have a child it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. If you feel like you have to put a child off on someone else, you should have kept your legs closed or your junk in your pants. Hey Spank, let me be Butch for a minute! I am going to piss all over what you just said here and will not EVER apologize for it!!! Here goes.... I have never in my life met a teacher, and I know several who does not become a parent in his/her classroom daily. That's right they are there to educate first and foremost. However, kids (not adults) need parenting 24 HOURS PER DAY!!!! They are kids for God sake people. In all of your snide remarks (not just you) maybe you forgot that, or was too busy trying to piss me off to think of it for yourselves. Ask any teacher, or maybe some of you are teachers and are doing a poor job at it!! The good ones shape kids lives forever. I can remember my first grade teacher and the effect she had on my life. She did not JUST educate me, she left a mark on my life that I will never forget. So don't tell me they are only there to educate, because anyone who believes that is a FOOL! Yours/mine (kids) are our responsibility no doubt, but while they are in the care of their respective schools I hope at least one teacher takes a couple extra minutes to correct my child if they do something wrong, or pat them on the back if they do something right. That people is PARENTING, whether you think it is or not. So thank your mom for a good job, thats great and everything that she raised you by herself. However while she was out earning a living, another adult cared for and looked after you for several hours per day. If you needed to use the bathroom, when it was time for you to eat, when it was time for you to rest, play, or whatever while you was at school. Was it mom or someone else you went to?? I think an intelligent person will get my point. |
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Post by Bob Dobalina on May 1, 2008 3:45:44 GMT -5
Folks, I'm afraid we're gonna have to give up on Bob. Wow! Really? He has nothing to post that even resembles CONSTRUCTIVE. Let's move on. Yeah Chris, move on man!  |
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Post by Bob Dobalina on May 1, 2008 3:52:20 GMT -5
Okay, so two things I want to say to you. First, you really said that Schools are not meant to parent or rehabilitate?? Really? If teachers were only there to educate the job would be too easy! Were you home schooled or something? Wow! What a statemen My opinion is mine. If you feel that my post was to incite or defend 'silly name calling' that is YOUR opinion. Have a nice day! Bob do you really believe it is the schools job to parent? Your true colors are showing ,can anyone say communist China , North Korea. That is what they do in these countries BOB. Your political leanings are showing BOB. If you do not know these things maybe you should study history more. How about mom and dad doing the parenting. You can be poor and still do a great job of parenting, but all I hear is excuses for the failures of todays parents. Oh I forgot it is Bob I am talking to. A hateful know it all .....Nevermind You know I didn't even see this post at first Bruce. You really are special you know that?? Are you calling me a commi Bruce? Now you really are showing your age! I don't study anything that is useless to me but hey you can give me a little background on it if you want. By the way, I understand the frustration with all of those Section 8 houses on Valleydale. I am glad I am on the other side of Coulwood. |
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Post by bluelinebill on May 1, 2008 4:44:01 GMT -5
Well (BOB) and unnamed ass clown
First off I don’t live anywhere near Dilworth
I wish I could stay away from some of the section 8 housing but the fact of the matter is I live less than a mile and a half from ground zero.
(Idelwild and Independence Blvd being the biggest area).
I know from professional experience how royally this area is screwed up.
Remember the elderly woman who was killed coming home from church?
Pulse I have section 8 housing in my community and a section 8 mother who lives next door to me who has a (NEW) Toyota Camry but can’t seem to mow her own damn grass.
She makes a big production out of washing her car with the stereo turned up. But can’t seem to find the time to take care of her yard.
I have offered to cut her grass but she’s not willing to pay for the gas.
So let’s be straight about one thing. I don’t care if you are a Mongolian with a herd of yaks. Be respectful of the people you live around.
1. Don’t play loud music at 11:30 at night-( her men friends come by a lot)
2. Control your kids and don’t let your kids throw trash on the streets
3. Have the decency to ask anyone coming by to visit you, to follow these same rules.
4. And if you live in section 8 housing don’t treat it like you don’t have obligations to keep up the place.
Now (BOB) and ass clown, here’s the kicker, DSS comes by twice a month to check on (her) to make sure she’s taking care of (her) kid.
This woman is one of only many; I and mine have dealt with for the past 10 years
So (BOB) and unnamed ass clown don’t presume to tell me about Jack Shit.
I live with section 8 housing everyday and see the good and the (BAD) of it.
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Post by bruce on May 1, 2008 7:05:04 GMT -5
Well Bob if you want to know more about communist china and korea then I suggest you go ask one of your beloved teachers. But most of them..... but not all...... are so left wing today they would probably tell you how wonderful it is there. But if you want a history lesson,then you should know this ,Stalin and MAO killed over 60 million people through direct and indirect polices to stay in control during their reigns of terror. GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED schools where children were indoctrinated is one way they did it. Their leaders were considered Gods.
I would love to live in Dilworth but as you have probably heard certain people are now causing a crime wave there to.
Ever heard of MOES SOUTHWEST GRILL.. ....100's of car thefts, break ins .... They are trying to hire private police protection to help out the regular police.
I will stick with Paw Creek for now ,it is really not that bad here. I just never know if I will have any tools to work with when I get to my shop every day.
Yes Bob there are some wonderful teachers out there but it is MOM and dad ,or family who should instill values and morality. If a child does not have that then they do start out with a disadvantage. When the STATE does it they instill values you might not agree with.
It is good that you had a teacher that cared but to expect that for all children in todays society when just about every child comes to school with issues is to much to ask of a teacher.
IF a teacher treats students fairly and decently that is all you can ask for.
Quit looking to the government for help in raising children, That is not the job of our government.
It is the job of their mom or dad or both.
Would you ever consider raising your standards instead of lowering every one else's .
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Post by bruce on May 1, 2008 7:10:46 GMT -5
Oh by the way BOB thanks for calling me special .
I have heard it said...... that some people don't know that they don't know...... I think maybe that you are one of these people.
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Post by lalagirl on May 1, 2008 8:51:38 GMT -5
you say you want teachers to also parent your children yet the first time a teacher corrects or attempts to discipline your child you're running to the school threatening a lawsuit. Teachers want to teach not raise your kids. Some people were not meant to have kids and aren't capable of parenting and therefore should stop reproducing. Bob you claim your teachers "parented" you, I'm sure that was years ago when they were also allowed to discipline when needed.
I would love to be able to stay in my nice little comfortable neighborhood but the Section 8 thugs keep wandering in and committing crimes. I guess the next excuse will be that its the teachers fault your kids a criminal.
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Post by JCH on May 1, 2008 11:01:55 GMT -5
Slappy Let me just first say that I am NOT angry. I don't have a reason to be angry. I see the world a lot differently than you and others obviously. These young punks who want to be thugs are a huge problem in our community. It starts with bad parenting and/or lack of parenting coupled with a terrible school system and a judicial system that is a joke. So now here we are with a 'black youth' crime wave. Those who care to go to the core of the truth know where and how to combat this problem but don't have the support from both entities I mentioned before. (CMS, Meck Co Courts). These young men are the real angry people because nobody listens to them!! The solution for every time they act out in school is to kick them out. I am not talking about violent outburst either. I have seen first hand how out of fear teachers just don't bother to reach any of them. It starts now at Kindergarten all they way through middle school and high school. So they are frustrated and yes, angry!! Have any of you ever felt that you would automatically become a failure in life because of who you are? That is a heavy burden to carry I can't begin to tell you. That is what some of these kids feel like, and truthfully none of your care about that. You just want to see them all locked up for life. Be honest about it, you do.
Bob, all this was brought about from your original post (above) regarding teachers not "reaching out" to students when they "act out". My point is that when you parent your child, it is your responsibility to teach discipline and respect, and also how to behave when you are in other situations outside of the home. If the child is not parented at home in a way that would precipitate proper behavior then it seems to me that the "problem" is just being dropped off at school for everyone else to deal with. This "problem" ends up disrupting classes and as a result everyone else suffers. Yes, the teacher can take the child aside and nicely tell them this is not appropriate behavior (as any good person would), but I believe it takes a lot more than that to change basic behavior that is learned in the home and this is far beyond a teacher's capacity. There are counselors at school that may be able to speak with the child, but ultimately the PARENT or PARENTS will be called in to assume the responsibility. If the PARENTS cannot or will not work to change the behavior, then perhaps the child should not return to school. Why should teachers carry the responsibility for the anger that these young men feel? This anger was born and bred at home and unfortunately the bus picked it up and brought it to school to be dealt with. And, regarding this latest post, teachers can have an effect on a student and they will (and do ) correct a child or pat them on the back when it is deserved. if your definition of "teacher as parent" involves the above listed items (and allowing them to go to the bathroom or eat), then I can't argue with that. But anything outside of those items is truly beyond their boundaries with a child that is not their own, and therefore it is ultimately the PARENTS that must do the PARENTING. |
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Post by JCH on May 1, 2008 12:42:15 GMT -5
And one last thing, Bob - I AM SICK of these so-called "angry blacks" you mention that make their way into my neighborhood and threaten my way of life. I pay dearly to live in Myers Park and my friends in Dilworth do the same. Sky high taxes pay for endless housing, programs, schools, jails etc., not to mention endless hours of volunteering and charity doled out for these angry people that are brought into the world by ignorant people that unleash them onto society so they can rob me of my material things in order to make them feel better about themselves. No amount of money, cars or jewelry will make these thug black youths feel better because they were taught from infancy that they were victims of society and everybody else owes them something. So now, not only do I continue to pay their way, I can also add the following to my list of monetary expenses:
1) $30 per month for private police patrol in my neighborhood
2) $600 for the purchase of a new gun
3) $40 per month for alarm monitoring
So, yes Bob, if the choice is my life or locking them up - I'm voting for locking them up because I don't have the time or money to provide them with a therapy session so someone can "listen to them".
If these angry people feel they will automatically be a failure it is because those who raised them told them (or more likely, showed them) so. I cannot carry that burden.
I REPEAT that I do believe Section 8 is necessary and has a place, but in reference to these criminals that reside there, it seems as though the hands that are feeding are being bitten (and practically gnawed off) by a misplaced anger that comes from a perpetuating cycle of ignorance that is passed from one generation to the next. It has truly grown beyond what we as a people can control adequately and every day another baby is born into that cycle. So, yes, we are angry too.
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Post by lalagirl on May 1, 2008 15:41:04 GMT -5
and its this way of thinking that allows this cycle to continue. blame someone else for your actions. you notice that Bob is quick to make reference to slavery, KKK, discrimination, etc. As long as you cane blame someone else you don't have to take responsibility. Bob, if you're so concerned about the black youth maybe you should try to be part of the solution instead of placing blame where it doesn't belong. I can only speak for myself but if one of these thugs kicks in my door there won't be any discussion or parenting going on. Game over....
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Post by Big Bob D on May 2, 2008 0:39:51 GMT -5
you say you want teachers to also parent your children yet the first time a teacher corrects or attempts to discipline your child you're running to the school threatening a lawsuit. Teachers want to teach not raise your kids. Some people were not meant to have kids and aren't capable of parenting and therefore should stop reproducing. Bob you claim your teachers "parented" you, I'm sure that was years ago when they were also allowed to discipline when needed. I would love to be able to stay in my nice little comfortable neighborhood but the Section 8 thugs keep wandering in and committing crimes. I guess the next excuse will be that its the teachers fault your kids a criminal. Hi lala gal!! Ummm.....I am not sure if you are trying to address me or not. However, I made my point clear in an earlier post about a teachers role. Maybe your problem was paying attention in class. So go to time out!! Now.  |
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Post by Bob Dobalina on May 2, 2008 0:46:54 GMT -5
And, regarding this latest post, teachers can have an effect on a student and they will (and do ) correct a child or pat them on the back when it is deserved. if your definition of "teacher as parent" involves the above listed items (and allowing them to go to the bathroom or eat), then I can't argue with that. But anything outside of those items is truly beyond their boundaries with a child that is not their own, and therefore it is ultimately the PARENTS that must do the PARENTING. Thanks J! Sorry but you had so much to say that this part is all I really got from it. Thanks for seeing my point. You're alright with me. |
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Post by Bob Dobalina on May 2, 2008 1:00:09 GMT -5
And one last thing, Bob - I AM SICK of these so-called "angry blacks" you mention that make their way into my neighborhood and threaten my way of life. I pay dearly to live in Myers Park and my friends in Dilworth do the same. Sky high taxes pay for endless housing, programs, schools, jails etc., not to mention endless hours of volunteering and charity doled out for these angry people that are brought into the world by ignorant people that unleash them onto society so they can rob me of my material things in order to make them feel better about themselves. No amount of money, cars or jewelry will make these thug black youths feel better because they were taught from infancy that they were victims of society and everybody else owes them something. So now, not only do I continue to pay their way, I can also add the following to my list of monetary expenses: 1) $30 per month for private police patrol in my neighborhood 2) $600 for the purchase of a new gun 3) $40 per month for alarm monitoring So, yes Bob, if the choice is my life or locking them up - I'm voting for locking them up because I don't have the time or money to provide them with a therapy session so someone can "listen to them". If these angry people feel they will automatically be a failure it is because those who raised them told them (or more likely, showed them) so. I cannot carry that burden. I REPEAT that I do believe Section 8 is necessary and has a place, but in reference to these criminals that reside there, it seems as though the hands that are feeding are being bitten (and practically gnawed off) by a misplaced anger that comes from a perpetuating cycle of ignorance that is passed from one generation to the next. It has truly grown beyond what we as a people can control adequately and every day another baby is born into that cycle. So, yes, we are angry too. So the anger finally surfaces! You know what though? You're right there are several cycles of life at work here. It's too bad that there are more people who cannot get them minds around it than there are of those who can truly understand why we are at this point. Them blame often is in the wrong place on both sides of the issue. I don't blame you for how you feel because ultimately it boils down to a class issue. You're angry now because you cannot understand why they just will not go away. Maybe back to Africa or as stated before locked up for good. 'Angry Blacks' are the ones that you are mad at but they did not create the problem. They just do what comes natural to those who themselves have been victims of some sort. It truly is sad because just like the economy, it will get worse before (IF) it ever gets better. God only knows, and only HE can help. I think I will go ahead and stop there because I supposedly was the angry person first. Now look at you folks! Go and try to enjoy your weekend. Have a drink on me.  |
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Post by lalagirl on May 2, 2008 6:29:28 GMT -5
Bob, did you even finish school.
BTW, go take your meds and you have a good weekend, ya hear.
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Post by SDA on May 2, 2008 6:40:22 GMT -5
no Bob you don't make us angry you just helped us understand why things are the way they are with the black youth. I guess your way of parenting is to try and find someone else to blame for their actions. Lets see, I guess you didn't get good grades because your teachers ancestors had slaves. How does it feel to be able to go through life and not take responsibility for anything? DENIAL, ANGER, RESENTMENT We're over you Bob, you're part of the problem. |
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Post by JCH on May 2, 2008 10:39:19 GMT -5
Well Bob, they can't go "back" to Africa because they've never been there. Where does this mentality come from? You are very quick to find or imply racial references even when none are present. This is obviously a problem for you and if you think you have provided any enlightenment to the people on this board, other than the fact that you are the angry black victim, then please know that you have failed. The passive-aggressive comments speak volumes.
I'm with Chris - and moving on.
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Post by bruce on May 2, 2008 11:16:49 GMT -5
I wish BOB was my neighbor!!!! Cookouts ,fishing trips, we could be such good friends.
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Post by Chris man come on on May 2, 2008 12:47:14 GMT -5
 poor BOB and his efforts to convince us that we must feel responsible for the black race's problems. he tries and tries but it always comes back to racism. da man is keeping you down  . spare us the pity party. section 8, a.k.a. da hood and da ghetto is not only a place - it's a state of mind and you seem like you are working hard to keep it alive. your doing a damn good job too  . keep drinking the koolaid BOB and make sure to convince all your friends that they are victims - that way they can justify robbing and killing others. i feel sorry for the black people who have risen above this blame game because people like you are the reason they keep getting dragged down. you should be embarrassed but you aren't because that little victim inside of you won't shut up long enough for you to think straight.
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poor BOB and his efforts to convince us that we must feel responsible for the black race's problems. he tries and tries but it always comes back to racism. da man is keeping you down 
. spare us the pity party. section 8, a.k.a. da hood and da ghetto is not only a place - it's a state of mind and you seem like you are working hard to keep it alive. your doing a damn good job too 
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